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Topic: NYU Business School Professor Has Mastered The Art Of Email Flaming

A student at NYU's Stern School of Business sent a complaint email to a hard-headed professor about his class's lateness policy. The professor emailed back, eviscerated the student David Mamet-style, and now it's gone viral. Welcome to internet immorality.

Professor Scott Galloway — founder of redenvelope.com — has a reputation for being a self-important "jackass" and appears to have adopted the phrase "get your shit together" as his personal carpe diem. He was also on the New York Times board of directors before resigning last week. He also has a little William Wallace in him.

Regardless, I'm quite impressed with his craftsmanship in taking this budding, entitled entrepreneur down a few notches. I emailed Galloway for comment, but he's a little confused about "what email you're referring to." So I get the sense that he's done this sort of thing before. According to one friend-of-a-friend of an NYU student who received the email, Galloway initiated the forwarding: "To give a little background, Scott Galloway is a professor at NYU Stern School of Business. He was also the founder of RedEnvelope.com. He teaches a Brand Management class at the school. Anyway, the student below sent him an e-mail to which Prof. Galloway responded. Galloway then proceeded to send it to his TA and instructed him to XXXX out the student's name and then forward it to the rest of the class. The e-mail now appears to be making the rounds."

Galloway has yet to confirm if he sent it to his TA who then forwarded it to his class. Either way, enjoy the BOOM BITCH-iness of this thing in its proper context. It has a very "Always Wear Sunscreen"-type appeal to it, if you choose to forget that Professor Galloway might be kind of a dick .

Sent: Tuesday, February 9, 2010 7:15:11 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific
Subject: Brand Strategy Feedback

Prof. Galloway,

I would like to discuss a matter with you that bothered me. Yesterday evening I entered your 6pm Brand Strategy class approximately 1 hour late. As I entered the room, you quickly dismissed me, saying that I would need to leave and come back to the next class. After speaking with several students who are taking your class, they explained that you have a policy stating that students who arrive more than 15 minutes late will not be admitted to class.

As of yesterday evening, I was interested in three different Monday night classes that all occurred simultaneously. In order to decide which class to select, my plan for the evening was to sample all three and see which one I like most. Since I had never taken your class, I was unaware of your class policy. I was disappointed that you dismissed me from class considering (1) there is no way I could have been aware of your policy and (2) considering that it was the first day of evening classes and I arrived 1 hour late (not a few minutes), it was more probable that my tardiness was due to my desire to sample different classes rather than sheer complacency.

I have already registered for another class but I just wanted to be open and provide my opinion on the matter.

Regards,
xxxx


xxxx
MBA 2010 Candidate
NYU Stern School of Business
xxxx.nyu.edu
xxx-xxx-xxxx

The Reply:

—— Forwarded Message ——-
From: scott@stern.nyu.edu
To: "xxxx"
Sent: Tuesday, February 9, 2010 9:34:02 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific
Subject: Re: Brand Strategy Feedback

xxxx:

Thanks for the feedback. I, too, would like to offer some feedback.

Just so I've got this straight...you started in one class, left 15-20 minutes into it (stood up, walked out mid-lecture), went to another class (walked in 20 minutes late), left that class (again, presumably, in the middle of the lecture), and then came to my class. At that point (walking in an hour late) I asked you to come to the next class which "bothered" you.

Correct?

You state that, having not taken my class, it would be impossible to know our policy of not allowing people to walk in an hour late. Most risk analysis offers that in the face of substantial uncertainty, you opt for the more conservative path or hedge your bet (e.g., do not show up an hour late until you know the professor has an explicit policy for tolerating disrespectful behavior, check with the TA before class, etc.). I hope the lottery winner that is your recently crowned Monday evening Professor is teaching Judgement and Decision Making or Critical Thinking.

In addition, your logic effectively means you cannot be held accountable for any code of conduct before taking a class. For the record, we also have no stated policy against bursting into show tunes in the middle of class, urinating on desks or taking that revolutionary hair removal system for a spin. However, xxxx, there is a baseline level of decorum (i.e., manners) that we expect of grown men and women who the admissions department have deemed tomorrow's business leaders.

xxxx, let me be more serious for a moment. I do not know you, will not know you and have no real affinity or animosity for you. You are an anonymous student who is now regretting the send button on his laptop. It's with this context I hope you register pause...REAL pause xxxx and take to heart what I am about to tell you:

xxxx, get your shit together.

Getting a good job, working long hours, keeping your skills relevant, navigating the politics of an organization, finding a live/work balance...these are all really hard, xxxx. In contrast, respecting institutions, having manners, demonstrating a level of humility...these are all (relatively) easy. Get the easy stuff right xxxx. In and of themselves they will not make you successful. However, not possessing them will hold you back and you will not achieve your potential which, by virtue of you being admitted to Stern, you must have in spades. It's not too late xxxx...

Again, thanks for the feedback.

Professor Galloway

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That is fucking AWESOME!!!

We'd like to get a sample of your brain tissue.

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Yes it's excellent

You never ask a navy man if he'll have another drink, because it's nobody's goddamned business how much he's had already.

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I guess the real question is: What would TAP or Freedom write?

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SLCPUNK wrote:

I guess the real question is: What would TAP or Freedom write?

I've been on the receiving end of an email tongue lashing, back in my junior year.  However, we eventually made up over our mutual love of Scotch.

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I save my sarcasm for arrmo and you guys.

"The good Christian should beware the mathematician and all those who make empty prophecies. The danger already exists that the mathematicians have made a covenant with the devil to darken the spirit and to confine man in the bonds of hell." - St Augustine

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In truth, I'm not hard on my students at all.

You're the fifth person whose grandmother has died this week?  Fine, you can take your exam later, and congrats on being a statistical improbability.

Your printer mysteriously broke just moments before your term paper was due?  Fine, turn it in later.

You can't make it in for your presentation because you were the victim of a dog attack?  OK, you can do it later.

You're home is so rural that you're still snowed in come July?  That's alright...I'll make an allowance.

You're in lockup because you were wrongly arrested when your friend got pulled over for DUI?  What an exceptional chance to learn about Due Process...hope you make bail soon!

Seriously, I let them get away with anything.  And with the exception of the snow excuse, I've seen it all.  Dog attacks, five or six grandmothers dead in a week, printers that work just fine until you really need 'em.  The excuses are constant and make me laugh my ass off.  But, in fact, I find that people making such excuses do one of two things.  They either succeed, which is rare and confirms that they probably really did have something affect them (swear to God, the dog attack was real...).  Or, and far more common, they didn't do it in the first place because they're lazy and that same laziness will prevent them from doing well even given additional time. 

I've got a student right now who claims to have been out all semester for medical issues, but who also claims to be caught up with her work and wants to take the exam.  Fine, I say.  But then, right when it's exam time...BOOM!  Big ol' grandparent stroke.  Now, every once in a while this stuff is true.  But not usually.  I can't imagine how she'll succeed, but when I tried to talk her out of trying to catch up with over a month's worth of work, she wouldn't hear any of it.  So, now it's her problem.  I'll give her innumerable chances to swim or sink, but eventually she'll have to take that exam and I'm betting she sinks like she's got concrete shoes.  And by the time she drops the class, she'll be well out of the tuition reimbursement period, meaning she'll pay for the whole thing but get no credit for it (which is good, since an "F" seems likely).  And she'll be wondering...why did I try to pull this off again?

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Sounds like being a landlord....

"My purse was stolen at work, which also had all my contact information in it, thank God you called me! I've had the rent check here for two weeks now."

"I sent the check, didn't you get it yet?" (Yes really...the check is in the mail.)

"We had a death in the family last week and we've been out of town now for a week. My check is smaller because of the work I missed, can I sent a partial payment?"

Same ole shit...

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I tell them it isn't high school, I can't make them come or do the work, but if they don't then they will likely fail. I'm easy until after the course is complete, but have no patience for 'Can't you change my grade to a C so I keep my scholarship' etc.

"The good Christian should beware the mathematician and all those who make empty prophecies. The danger already exists that the mathematicians have made a covenant with the devil to darken the spirit and to confine man in the bonds of hell." - St Augustine

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TAP wrote:

I tell them it isn't high school, I can't make them come or do the work, but if they don't then they will likely fail. I'm easy until after the course is complete, but have no patience for 'Can't you change my grade to a C so I keep my scholarship' etc.


Are you sure my step daughter isn't in your class? That girl wants her hand held through school...

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I'm pretty sure she isn't, that would be some commute.

"The good Christian should beware the mathematician and all those who make empty prophecies. The danger already exists that the mathematicians have made a covenant with the devil to darken the spirit and to confine man in the bonds of hell." - St Augustine

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First: I would never arrive late for class unless I had been shot, or were in a car wreck, or some other shit.

Second: It is  disrespectful to disrupt class by leaving(for a fucking text), or arriving late.

However, if some prof told me to leave class after arriving late, my  response could only be FUCK YOU!.

I attend a state university, and the rates are cheap, but still $1000 for a 3 hour class! And, some fucker tells me to leave? I don't think so.

It would have never made it to the email; of course, I wouldn't have been late unless some fucker shot me, or I crashed. In which case, there would be blood flowing.

And, that reminds me of a story.

Y'all remember a couple of years ago when  I  nearly cut my leg off???

Well, I had to walk to classes from a parking structure, then. I t wasn't long, but it took about 20 minutes for what should have been a 5-7 minute walk. Most of  the students realized that I  was suffering from some kind of abnormality, as did the prof.

Hell, on the first day of class, I fell against the wall when I walked in.

One day, I had to remove the desk from in front of where I normally sat... I couldn't bend my leg!

So before class, I moved the desk, only to "hit" the wound on the one in front in the process. It hurt like a mofo, started bleeding. But, I sucked it up.

A few minutes into the lecture, the prof noticed all the blood leaking from my pants. He gave me one hell of a look like I  needed to be excused.

Shit! I'm paying a $1000 a semester to listen to this dude speak. I'll be goddamned if I am going to miss it.

And, that leads into one of my other complaints: If the guy wants to go beyond the time-STFU, and sit the fuck down-it is free money!

the hangovers hurt more than they use to

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cousin it wrote:

Shit! I'm paying a $1000 a semester to listen to this dude speak. I'll be goddamned if I am going to miss it.

That's not how most of them think of it.  They aren't paying to hear me speak (or to learn at all), but to get a degree which they believe will be a return on their (or their parents') investment.  The learning...they care fuck all about that.  I can't tell you how many times a person has explained why they "NEED" a certain grade (as if it's me fucking them over, and not their own performance).  I am less than sympathetic, with the exception of graduating seniors who just need a "C".

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They "need" a particular grade huh? LOL, that's funny.

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SLCPUNK wrote:

They "need" a particular grade huh? LOL, that's funny.

Yup.  One girl told me I was bringing down her GPA and hurting her chances on an application for some internship...she was getting a godawful A- .  It's more common to hear about needing a grade to avoid academic probation or retaining scholarships, etc.  If they ask in terms of "how can I improve" or "what do I need to do" then I'm cool with it.  If it's "I need a B" then it just annoys me.

Two scoops of The GNR Syndicate in my morning coffee helps to keep me regular.

Thanks, GNR Syndicate!